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post #1 of 40 Old 09-15-2017, 04:50 AM Thread Starter
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Black Widow Headers

GSX-S 1000 DE-CAT HEADER RACE PIPES
https://www.facebook.com/pg/blackwid...63169250628070
Comment attached to one of the facebook pics:
"Please note, very small unbaffled end cans that rely on the catalytic converter to reduce the noise will become very loud (re-map may be required for simple metal tube designs as they may offer not back pressure)"

Blackwidow install instructions for anyone interested:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php...23839622562653

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You left out the first part of the quote....

Please note, very small unbaffled end cans that rely on the catalytic converter to reduce the noise will become very loud (re-map may be required for simple metal tube designs as they may offer not back pressure)

All headers are metal tubes. Removing the catalytic converter and muffler is what would give you back pressure issues. Technically, anytime you make an exhaust modification, you should re-map. It looks like a solid system! I'd give them a try if they were in the USA.
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Under 400.
They also come with a dummy bracket to fasten the servo cables to, which fastens next to the chain guard.

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You left out the first part of the quote....

Please note, very small unbaffled end cans that rely on the catalytic converter to reduce the noise will become very loud (re-map may be required for simple metal tube designs as they may offer not back pressure)
Edited. Ah yes, simple metal tube design refers to the end can not the headers themselves as I initially thought. Interestingly their gsxr headers specifically mentions not requiring remap for standard settings - I guess different bike, different requirements.
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Looks like an economy version of my Arrow header.
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Looks like an economy version of my Arrow header.
Why do you "say" that?

I have the Arrow headers, and I was not that impressed.

The Arrow headers are slip fit + springs in the flangs/sleeves bolted to the top/exhaust ports.
I prefere the OEM and this (Black Widow) headers that are *bolted* tight to the top/exhaust ports.
This will require much less tolerance in design opposed to sleeves/springs that allow some more adjustments,
BUT, the sleeve/spring "fit" might induce some leaks although I have not had problems with my Arrows (nor Akra with similar design).

I see that Black Widow skips the tubes between header pipes which I think is good, due to no risk of leaks in this area either.
The effects on engine output is negligible, if there are any benefits at all with this design, even if the OEM also have these tubes between the header pipes.
But on the OEM they are welded=no risk of leaks.

And I see the Black Widow system have the same diameter on the end of the intermediate tube.
The Arrow have a bigger diameter which not all aftermarket can/link tube fits (Akrapovic end can does).
The thick gasket is supposed to sit between the intermediate tube (from headers) and the link pipe from the can.
I had to expand this link pipe to make my Mivv can+link pipe fit to the Arrow header/pipe.

It would be nice if both Arrow and Black Widow presented dyno-figures before/after their systems.

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Looks to only be $45 shipping to the United States!! Might have to convince the wife to let me pull the trigger on this one.
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Has anyone tried the Black Widow headers or full system?

The price is attractive but I'm wondering how it compares to Arrow?
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Any dump with before and after. Id like to see how it compares to the arrows for removing the midrange dip


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Any dump with before and after. Id like to see how it compares to the arrows for removing the midrange dip


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exactly the reason I'm looking at exhausts!

In my opinion this bike should easily power wheelie 1st and 2nd gear. My buddy's FZ-09 does and it's 30+hp and 10ftlb torque less than the GSXS!
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