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Arrow vs Yoshimura Full

looking at the design of these two systems. both are documented poorly. I will flip a coin
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Have you looked at the Black Widow headers? Much cheaper and made in UK. Their headers look nice and run about $540 delivered.
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Have you looked at the Black Widow headers? Much cheaper and made in UK. Their headers look nice and run about $540 delivered.
thanks for the reply. i did look at them briefly but didnt find enough info or more importantly, reviews/testimonials so i considered arrow/yosh/m4 more proven the coin landed on arrow.
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Have you looked at the Black Widow headers? Much cheaper and made in UK. Their headers look nice and run about $540 delivered.
thanks for the reply. i did look at them briefly but didnt find enough info or more importantly, reviews/testimonials so i
considered arrow/yosh/m4 more proven the coin landed on arrow.
Seriously stay clear of Black Widow... I have spoken to many exhaust makers and they are all of the same opinion...cheap for a reason... Poor quality Chinese stainless steel and are not a perfect fit.

If you don't want a full Yoshi (I didn't because I wanted to retain a stubby exhaust) then you really need to look at the Arrow headers.

I've just purchased the Arrow racetech header set... So this removes all the cat, collection chamber etc. They are made to utilise the original stubby exhaust...and use all the original mounting points. They will also fit my beautiful Matt black Remus Hypercone slip on..

Once fitted I'll post a review.

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Seriously stay clear of Black Widow... I have spoken to many exhaust makers and they are all of the same opinion...cheap for a reason... Poor quality Chinese stainless steel and are not a perfect fit.

If you don't want a full Yoshi (I didn't because I wanted to retain a stubby exhaust) then you really need to look at the Arrow headers.

I've just purchased the Arrow racetech header set... So this removes all the cat, collection chamber etc. They are made to utilise the original stubby exhaust...and use all the original mounting points. They will also fit my beautiful Matt black Remus Hypercone slip on..

Once fitted I'll post a review.
It should not come as a surprise that competitors will "down-talk" each other.

Unless you have personal experience (you don't have yet) I would not take their word for it.

I have both Arrow and Black Widow.

They are both *far* from perfect fit.

The OEM is perfect fit.

"Chinese Steel".. sounds pretty much like "Chinese Turbo's", which is a way of saying ("You must pay double and let us import the "Chines Steel/Turbo" and sell it to you as something "genuine")

Almost everything these days are made on a "child worker" chinese factory.
And we all contribute to it to save money.

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Seriously stay clear of Black Widow... I have spoken to many exhaust makers and they are all of the same opinion...cheap for a reason... Poor quality Chinese stainless steel and are not a perfect fit.

If you don't want a full Yoshi (I didn't because I wanted to retain a stubby exhaust) then you really need to look at the Arrow headers.

I've just purchased the Arrow racetech header set... So this removes all the cat, collection chamber etc. They are made to utilise the original stubby exhaust...and use all the original mounting points. They will also fit my beautiful Matt black Remus Hypercone slip on..

Once fitted I'll post a review.
It should not come as a surprise that competitors will "down-talk" each other.

Unless you have personal experience (you don't have yet) I would not take their word for it.

I have both Arrow and Black Widow.

They are both *far* from perfect fit.

The OEM is perfect fit.

"Chinese Steel".. sounds pretty much like "Chinese Turbo's", which is a way of saying ("You must pay double and let us import the "Chines Steel/Turbo" and sell it to you as something "genuine") [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.gsxs1000.org/forum/images/DiscoverySport_net/smilies/tango_face_wink.png[/IMG]

Almost everything these days are made on a "child worker" chinese factory.
And we all contribute to it to save money.
[IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.gsxs1000.org/forum/images/DiscoverySport_net/smilies/tango_face_plain.png[/IMG]

I respect that... But I got my arrows fitted by an independent Race specialst who have a fantastic reputation and no connection to any particular manufactures..

When they make a race bike they use akraprovic systems... As a first choice... Second choice is arrow...

They have categorically said do not use black widow...

But hey I'm only recommending what I use... My Arrow Race-Tec header set, Remus hypercone and power commander have given me 13bhp at the rear wheel... Sound awesome and my god she's quick...

But it's your call.
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I respect that... But I got my arrows fitted by an independent Race specialst who have a fantastic reputation and no connection to any particular manufactures..

When they make a race bike they use akraprovic systems... As a first choice... Second choice is arrow...

They have categorically said do not use black widow...

But hey I'm only recommending what I use... My Arrow Race-Tec header set, Remus hypercone and power commander have given me 13bhp at the rear wheel... Sound awesome and my god she's quick...

But it's your call.
Looking forward to your review and dyno charts. I too like the look of the reemus.

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Here you go... One dyno chart...

With the PCV the power delivery is silky smooth and very strong in any gear at any speed...

The system is loud... The guys at HM Racing seem to think I may not be allowed on track... ?
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It should not come as a surprise that competitors will "down-talk" each other.

Unless you have personal experience (you don't have yet) I would not take their word for it.

I have both Arrow and Black Widow.

They are both *far* from perfect fit.

The OEM is perfect fit.

"Chinese Steel".. sounds pretty much like "Chinese Turbo's", which is a way of saying ("You must pay double and let us import the "Chines Steel/Turbo" and sell it to you as something "genuine")

Almost everything these days are made on a "child worker" chinese factory.
And we all contribute to it to save money.
I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on them. Do you think the Arrow worth the price difference? Is there an obvious quality difference between the 2?
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I'd be interested in hearing your opinion on them. Do you think the Arrow worth the price difference? Is there an obvious quality difference between the 2?
I did not pay much more for my Arrow headers. So for me the price was no issue.

Arros uses a different design (like Akrapovic headers) than Black Widow.

The fitment is better (read: not as bad) for Arrow compared to the headers from Black Widow.

That is to be expected as Arrow uses "spigots" and slide-fitment vs Black Widows headers using tubes from exhaust port to colllector like OEM.
(OEM is even in one piece from headers to end pipe).
Black Widow do not use "link pipes" between header pipe, which I like, as this is an area that can develop leaks/false air for WB-sensor. The same goes for spigots/slide-fit (to the exhaust ports).

I have the habit to try out different exhaust, because I just like to "mod" during the (long) winter where I live.

I will be able to report more about what I think about Arrow vs Black Widow when spring is here, and I can test the bike.
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