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An enjoyable read :)

I might disagree with you on the throttle and trail braking. I'd actually say the only reason the throttle doesn't concern me when cornering is because I trail brake. If I had to try to moderate power with that throttle without the extra degree of control I'd probably be much tamer on my entry.
 

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i absolutely trail brake on almost every corner on the street or track if i'm riding at pace. but regardless, there is always that moment when we are off the throttle and have to get back on it whether one trail brakes or not. and that moment is a bit more abrupt than on other bikes i've owned. i will say it's gotten better with time and miles, the bike has broken in quite well and it's less of an issue now, but it's still there if you're not paying attention to the throttle hand at that moment. not sure how trail braking or not factors in here but love ot hear.
An enjoyable read :)

I might disagree with you on the throttle and trail braking. I'd actually say the only reason the throttle doesn't concern me when cornering is because I trail brake. If I had to try to moderate power with that throttle without the extra degree of control I'd probably be much tamer on my entry.
 

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Hmmm, maybe it's more a matter of the way I moderate power. I started out on an '86 500cc Honda Interceptor, below 8000 RPM it had almost no power, and accelerating through to that point was slow as ****. I used clutch, throttle, and rear brake together to keep it just above 8K as I entered a corner, so I'd actually be able to accelerate out.

So, I don't have any full off to on throttle in a corner, and trail braking is a huge part of avoiding that for me, though perhaps riding the clutch adds just enough to make up the difference.

Also, only time the throttle is trublesome for me is from full off, just rolling on more is smooth on my bike.
 

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interesting, i've heard of people riding a bit of throttle as they trail brake. however, i learned trail braking from the yamaha champions riding school and lee parks total control advanced riding clinic. fundamentally, what i was taught is it's about being on the brakes before and during tip in to a corner to be in control of speed and lean angle in case the corner arc changes to a decreasing radius turn but just as importantly to compress the front to help with direction change (on track especially). being on the brakes allows for the flexibility to modulate brake pressure depending on what the situation calls for versus having to get on the brakes mid corner which rarely ends well. most of the coaches i've worked with are on the throttle, off the throttle/on the brakes, and back on the throttle with maybe a little overlap but not on purpose more as a consequence of how your hands work.

QUOTE=USSENTERNCC1701E;143106]Hmmm, maybe it's more a matter of the way I moderate power. I started out on an '86 500cc Honda Interceptor, below 8000 RPM it had almost no power, and accelerating through to that point was slow as ****. I used clutch, throttle, and rear brake together to keep it just above 8K as I entered a corner, so I'd actually be able to accelerate out.

So, I don't have any full off to on throttle in a corner, and trail braking is a huge part of avoiding that for me, though perhaps riding the clutch adds just enough to make up the difference.

Also, only time the throttle is trublesome for me is from full off, just rolling on more is smooth on my bike.[/QUOTE]
 

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I might have to check out the Yamaha course, I know they used to, hopefully still do, run classes out of Miller Motorsportsway, not too far from me. Most of my riding techniques I've learned through reading, and careful practice in parking lots before a few slow canyons runs with it. Be nice to actually get some direct input from pros.

Also, I don't usually do hard braking right before a turn, I've only gone to the track once, mostly this stuff comes into play in canyon carving, and I don't want to catch up to a car in the curves, so I just kinda put along in the straight stretches and really only open it up in the turns.
 

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yamaha school is out of new jersey motorsports park and inde motorsports in arizona in the winter. i'd also recommend lee parks courses in parking lots, advanced riding clinics, nothing humbles you like being in a parking lot with lee :). can't have enough coaching if you ask me, i mean it's only our lives at stake right??

I might have to check out the Yamaha course, I know they used to, hopefully still do, run classes out of Miller Motorsportsway, not too far from me. Most of my riding techniques I've learned through reading, and careful practice in parking lots before a few slow canyons runs with it. Be nice to actually get some direct input from pros.
 

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We need to get you on some more motorcycles so you can write some more tests.

Your report is way more like they did in the old Cycle, or Cycle World magazines as opposed to modern times. and I dont know of a better way to compliment you. Nice work.

Agree or disagree? Thats what made it good. You choose to form opinions instead of what they do now.

As far as the front brakes go, the pads that come in the caliper are more appropriate for a 300 ninja. When you get a good pad in there, its an eye opening moment. I dont know to put a percentage on it, but if Ihad to guess, the Vesrah pad offers 40% more power and feel.
 

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very nice of you to say thank you for the positive feedback. will probably upgrade the brake pads when they are finished but i really cant complain about the stopping power once the bike was broken in a bit the brakes really came alive. i don't even know if that's possible but that's how they feel.

We need to get you on some more motorcycles so you can write some more tests.

Your report is way more like they did in the old Cycle, or Cycle World magazines as opposed to modern times. and I dont know of a better way to compliment you. Nice work.

Agree or disagree? Thats what made it good. You choose to form opinions instead of what they do now.

As far as the front brakes go, the pads that come in the caliper are more appropriate for a 300 ninja. When you get a good pad in there, its an eye opening moment. I dont know to put a percentage on it, but if Ihad to guess, the Vesrah pad offers 40% more power and feel.
 
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