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To test for my Fellow Members and Myself on how the GSXS1000, 750 offerings compare to the new 2018 DL650, I had a lend of a Demo in base form (cosmetic differences and solid wheels).
The XL get's spoked heavier wheels.

The difference in spec to the GSXS's is obvious, but that Suzuki flavour of cheap parts which deliver 'more bang for the buck' is a common thread.
The engine here is the Euro 4 twin in high output. I have demo'ed the LAMS 35 kw Learner power restricted in the current SV650 and the two motors are quite different.

The higher output in the DL feels in a 'seat of pants' feel to be about twice, but the gearing may be different, but it is very torquey.
I could not say that about the 750; it felt a lot slower when in mid gear acceleration from 60 to 80 km/r. The wee strom gave a definite push back into the comfy seat.

Once again, there was ZERO snatch from both the SV650 / DL650 engine and the GSXS750.
The GSXS 1000 shares that dubious honour with the GSXR and DL1000 motor's (internet Forums) so the difference is what in common ? A servo exhaust valve for one.

The airbox induction sound is quite muted on the DL650, where the SV650 and the GSXS1000 are quite pronounced; the GSXS750 somewhere in the middle, I'd say.

The windscreen was better in wind deflection on the wee strom than the second generation just superseded.
The screen was set mid way in it's range with 10mm up or down the range, and didn't allow for a rake adjustment, so bring a few washers and try that as a fix.
Adjustment needed a 4 mm Allen Key, so I didn't have time to experiment for you, but the mid position was reasonable and if I ducked an inch, I was out of the wind.
I noted the excellent hand varied screen on the DL 1000 Strom has been junked for the same basic bolted in place screen that the GSXS1000 and DL 650 use.

The DL 650 suspension is really plush and well damped. It ate and spat out all the potholes and sunken man hole covers without complaint and there was no diving under the soft braking from the pads fitted. The usual complaint of this type of taller bike is that the pegs dig into your stretched legs when stopped.
The tyres were brand unscrubbed new, and greasy, and I didn't push my luck at all. The larger front tyre had a very pronounced gyro effect when turning corners.

The bike wanted to be ridden like a sports bike - weight applied via the knees to the tank to steady the turn. Go too slow into the turn and it felt a bit top heavy but not ready to flop.

The only drama was the gear occasionally dropping from second into neutral while coasting off power. Happened twice, and the gear was solidly footed into second.
The gearbox was delight to use though, better than the GSXS750 unit. I have found the GSXS1000 gearbox to be a bit notchy if off the power.
The spread of gears in the 1000 are too close together for such a torquey motor, and the 650 and 750 are more spread out which is what you want in commuter class bikes.

The left hand gray/ white rocker switch for the traction control has the same range of 0,1 -3. The toggling of the fuel options also shows the battery volts, that is different to the GSXS's.
As a side reflection, the DL is a better by far bike than the Honda CB500X, which reflects the big price difference. As a commuter, it's the suspension tune of the Suzuki that really stands out over the Honda's soft springs that bob about on braking.

I rode a DL1000 about 2 years ago, the just superseded model, and that bike was more of a jacked up road bike than this 650 is. The windscreen on that was fail for me at 30 km/r.

The riding triangle of the 650 was reasonably upright, but with enough arm bend, so that a sore back from holding that straight position won't happen and it would make it a good all day tourer.
The leg room was great for my 6' frame, and more generous than the two GSXS's as expected. A few times I had to stop on a sloping roadway, and that was a scare for me.
The side stand is a bit short, and the bike leans over when parked, so it's probably the SV650's side stand used again here.

Conclusion ;
Would I buy one : Yes.
Over the GSXS750: Only if I had both in the Garage, as they are different champions in their own field as regards to commuting to work and the real difference is that you can tour all day on the DL, but on the GSXS, you'll stop a lot more, windscreen excluded in this.

For the price of the DL650 Wee Strom and the GSXS750 somewhere near the same list price, it shows how much value Suzuki can muster with a continual evolution of the Old Bones under new clothes.

Rob.
 

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The V Strom and Versys are both interesting bikes. I had a 650, but would get a 1000 next time.
 

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To test for my Fellow Members and Myself on how the GSXS1000, 750 offerings compare to the new 2018 DL650, I had a lend of a Demo in base form (cosmetic differences and solid wheels).
The XL get's spoked heavier wheels.

The difference in spec to the GSXS's is obvious, but that Suzuki flavour of cheap parts which deliver 'more bang for the buck' is a common thread.
The engine here is the Euro 4 twin in high output. I have demo'ed the LAMS 35 kw Learner power restricted in the current SV650 and the two motors are quite different.

The higher output in the DL feels in a 'seat of pants' feel to be about twice, but the gearing may be different, but it is very torquey.
I could not say that about the 750; it felt a lot slower when in mid gear acceleration from 60 to 80 km/r. The wee strom gave a definite push back into the comfy seat.

Once again, there was ZERO snatch from both the SV650 / DL650 engine and the GSXS750.
The GSXS 1000 shares that dubious honour with the GSXR and DL1000 motor's (internet Forums) so the difference is what in common ? A servo exhaust valve for one.

The airbox induction sound is quite muted on the DL650, where the SV650 and the GSXS1000 are quite pronounced; the GSXS750 somewhere in the middle, I'd say.

The windscreen was better in wind deflection on the wee strom than the second generation just superseded.
The screen was set mid way in it's range with 10mm up or down the range, and didn't allow for a rake adjustment, so bring a few washers and try that as a fix.
Adjustment needed a 4 mm Allen Key, so I didn't have time to experiment for you, but the mid position was reasonable and if I ducked an inch, I was out of the wind.
I noted the excellent hand varied screen on the DL 1000 Strom has been junked for the same basic bolted in place screen that the GSXS1000 and DL 650 use.

The DL 650 suspension is really plush and well damped. It ate and spat out all the potholes and sunken man hole covers without complaint and there was no diving under the soft braking from the pads fitted. The usual complaint of this type of taller bike is that the pegs dig into your stretched legs when stopped.
The tyres were brand unscrubbed new, and greasy, and I didn't push my luck at all. The larger front tyre had a very pronounced gyro effect when turning corners.

The bike wanted to be ridden like a sports bike - weight applied via the knees to the tank to steady the turn. Go too slow into the turn and it felt a bit top heavy but not ready to flop.

The only drama was the gear occasionally dropping from second into neutral while coasting off power. Happened twice, and the gear was solidly footed into second.
The gearbox was delight to use though, better than the GSXS750 unit. I have found the GSXS1000 gearbox to be a bit notchy if off the power.
The spread of gears in the 1000 are too close together for such a torquey motor, and the 650 and 750 are more spread out which is what you want in commuter class bikes.

The left hand gray/ white rocker switch for the traction control has the same range of 0,1 -3. The toggling of the fuel options also shows the battery volts, that is different to the GSXS's.
As a side reflection, the DL is a better by far bike than the Honda CB500X, which reflects the big price difference. As a commuter, it's the suspension tune of the Suzuki that really stands out over the Honda's soft springs that bob about on braking.

I rode a DL1000 about 2 years ago, the just superseded model, and that bike was more of a jacked up road bike than this 650 is. The windscreen on that was fail for me at 30 km/r.

The riding triangle of the 650 was reasonably upright, but with enough arm bend, so that a sore back from holding that straight position won't happen and it would make it a good all day tourer.
The leg room was great for my 6' frame, and more generous than the two GSXS's as expected. A few times I had to stop on a sloping roadway, and that was a scare for me.
The side stand is a bit short, and the bike leans over when parked, so it's probably the SV650's side stand used again here.

Conclusion ;
Would I buy one : Yes.
Over the GSXS750: Only if I had both in the Garage, as they are different champions in their own field as regards to commuting to work and the real difference is that you can tour all day on the DL, but on the GSXS, you'll stop a lot more, windscreen excluded in this.

For the price of the DL650 Wee Strom and the GSXS750 somewhere near the same list price, it shows how much value Suzuki can muster with a continual evolution of the Old Bones under new clothes.

Rob.

Hi Rob,

Thanks for your time with all this info.

I do miss the V strom 650 at times (a great, great bike all around) if i had the room would still have one.
Also like the spokes for some off road, yet a bit heavy for my taste (prefer my heavily modified DR650/single track, etc).

The DL with standard non spoke is better for the street because always had my plug kit with small compressor.

Thanks again!;)
 

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I just commented on another post before I saw this one Rob Sorry probably more related to this thread. Great review,
 

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Hey Rob go and test ride the 1000 and let us know what you think... I've still got my 14 year old SV 1000 and love it, I understand the XT/V Strom has a more refined engine..?
 

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Hey Rob go and test ride the 1000 and let us know what you think... I've still got my 14 year old SV 1000 and love it, I understand the XT/V Strom has a more refined engine..?
Hi Tony,
Yes, the 1000cc motor is a gem. I had it in the SV1000 Naked, the S, the TLR & TLS. The prime reason for selling the SV1000 was the narrow tank at the knees. My legs used to rattle around the tank.
I can't say this about the new DL1000, the tank is very wedge shaped at the groin and I found that I liked it a lot in a previous test of the older DL1000 version.
With the Euro 3 tune, the DL1000 is a great bike engine wise. Full of grunt off idle, linear up to 4000 rpm, no snatch present (no Lady Rider/Pillion joke here ;)) and made such a lovely low pitched induction sound just like a good twin should do for the Rider if you can't have it from the exhaust.
Euro 4, has Suzuki making around 60 odd changes to this motor and the power has dropped some HP/torque I've read.
The old motor has a SET exhaust valve too as I remember, so I am expecting it to be now more closed than open in it's settings to give the cat more time to clean up the gases.

The past version DL is the new same bike but with a nip and tuck styling update, and the chassis should remain so stable on the road, a real tourer, great suspension, very confidence inspiring, and a worthy replacement for a SV1000 Lover. Spoked wheels could be a difference though as they are heavier.
The old SV1000 had a great motor in an average chassis - a DL1000 gives you both positives plus a dirt road bonus, But you just need longer legs or fit a lowering kit as it 50 mm higher than the 650, which is 50 mm more than the GSXS1000 (from memory). At 6', I had no trouble riding it on level land, but if your 5'5", your in trouble.

My GSXS1000N is now a memory; it has quickly been snapped up, and all because it was a R & Blk.
There's a colour for everyone in the GSXS1000 range, and my next GSXS will be Blue and Black in 750cc, but not for a while, that GSXS1000 takes a lot of time to forget how the good parts of it's character really are.
A demo ride on the V Strom 1000 is needed now to decide which Strom comes home, Captain Sensible 650 or the Arm Tugging, Pillion Tossing 1000.
Stay Tuned for an future 1000 update.

Rob.
 

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Hey Rob go and test ride the 1000 and let us know what you think... I've still got my 14 year old SV 1000 and love it, I understand the XT/V Strom has a more refined engine..?
Hi Tony,
3 Dealers in my area, 1 had a thousand demo.

Fronted up today to be told 'Sold on Saturday, 4 days ago'.
The Sales Manager said they will not be likely to be given another by Suzuki and the new DL1000 is not selling all that well since it came onto our Au market some weeks back.

So it's all down to you Dear Tony to report back on the 1000 now. :laugh:

I had a close look at the V Strom's XL's yellow rims and they appear to be anodised rather than painted. The black I am not sure about either.
Anodising is not that deep a coating, unlike paint, anodising in yellow has the bling effect in spades, but I'd worry about scratches from rocks or just changing tyres.
Black is easy to paint repair and looks cleaner even when filthy with road/chain grime.

I am more swung towards the White V Strom 1000 XL now, even though it's it a fair wack more than the 650cc.

I'm annoyed that the base 1000 we get is all black even with to an all black duck's beak, with some Gray plastic on the tank. OS get the white option, so looks like I will have to settle for a spoked wheel dearer XL or buy a base 650 in yellow with solid wheels that's 40% cheaper here than the 1000 XL. I'll be waiting till after Christmas anyway, for the prices to drop and Suzuki will fire sale then again with a few thousands of $ off as per their usual old stock from last year marketing.
Not good paying for top list price, just to see it depreciate down in a few months later, is there ? :crying:

This Dealer had the GSXS750 in Red/Black and Blue/ Black outside in the sun, and boy does that light Blue pump. It's a different shade to the GSXS1K Blue GP colour, a richer Blue.
After extensive sitting on the Strom's, the GSXS750 feels tiny in comparison, but the GSXS1000 feels just 'right sized' and familiar.

I asked if Australia is to get a GSXS1000 in either variant in White soon, like before the year's end, but this Dealer like my own, has no idea and Suzuki Reps don't tell these Dealer's all their secrets.

Rob.
 

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Very quickly (since I'm at work)...I had a '13 DL650 and have a '14 DL1000, both great bikes. I would say go with the 650, unless you do a lot of 2-up, or touring with a lot of luggage on the interstates, or if you're just a big fellow and need the extra power. The 1000 is a little better in most all categories: power, suspension, brakes, cockpit roominess. But the initial cost is higher, uses premium and gets about 10mpg less, and costs more to insure. I've never had either bike off-road, so can't comment on that. If I hadn't sold the DL650 when I did, I was going to keep it and sell the DL1000, as the 650 makes a nice compliment to the GSX-S1000 where I can get my power fix.

BTW, new fork springs and oil in the 650 make the suspension nearly equal to the 1000.

Just one person's humble opinion, of course.
 

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Well, after making a big case for the DL650, I did a ride through the country backroads this evening on the DL1000 and have absolutely no regrets about keeping it over the 650. It is a pleasure to ride - handles well, has ample, smooth power delivery, a good suspension that soaks up bumps well, and good wind protection (with a Givi screen and some deflectors)...it puts a smile on my face every time. Bottom line is they're both great bikes, you just have to figure out what your priorities are. I think it was alluded to above, but if you're of a vertically challenged nature and like to flat-foot at stops, the 1000 will need some modifications. Stock it is pretty tall, but there is a shorter seat available and the suspension can be lowered some as well.
 

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I'm surprised how many of us have owned Wee-Stroms. I had one back in 2005 and I loved it. Super smooth engine for a V and very nice power delivery. It was light enough that it was a treat in the twisties, but off-road... well... not really. I had stock tires and did a couple of adventure rides (gravel and dirt) that let me know it was really not meant for that kind of adventure. It was pretty good for long distance and it was comfortable for a sit-up position bike with decent wind protection (if you could solve the buffeting - I couldn't). It handled very well and was versatile. But the GSX-S1000F is by far better on every level for the kind of riding I do. I've also logged some miles on the V-Strom 1000 and it really wasn't my cup of tea. Too top heavy, too heavy overall and lot's of vibes. Keep in mind that was 2005 vintage so I'm sure things have improved.
Still... I just love my GSX-S1000F. :)
 

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So it's all down to you Dear Tony to report back on the 1000 now. :laugh:

Hey Rob. Cheers for the brilliant write ups..I see you have some rather pleasent decissions to make..:D
I have to say I rather like the wire wheels, Wouldn't mind a set on me SV/GSX-S1000 ..
Yep I may well have a spin on the V Strom 1000XT just to see if the motor is a lot better than me ol SV ..
 

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I'm surprised how many of us have owned Wee-Stroms. I had one back in 2005 and I loved it. Super smooth engine for a V and very nice power delivery. It was light enough that it was a treat in the twisties, but off-road... well... not really. I had stock tires and did a couple of adventure rides (gravel and dirt) that let me know it was really not meant for that kind of adventure. It was pretty good for long distance and it was comfortable for a sit-up position bike with decent wind protection (if you could solve the buffeting - I couldn't). It handled very well and was versatile. But the GSX-S1000F is by far better on every level for the kind of riding I do. I've also logged some miles on the V-Strom 1000 and it really wasn't my cup of tea. Too top heavy, too heavy overall and lot's of vibes. Keep in mind that was 2005 vintage so I'm sure things have improved.
Still... I just love my GSX-S1000F. :)
They say with proper off-road tires it can be decent in the gravel and dirt, if not a bit heavy. On the 2012+ Wee-Strom (just can't get used to saying "Glee" for that model - nickname that's a combination of Gladius and Wee) a Givi Airflow screen and Augustus deflectors (sold by a forum member) completely solve the wind and buffeting issues. I never rode the previous version of the 1000, but from what I've read the 2014+ is a completely different machine.
 

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I have an 06 wee and love riding it but probably wished I got the 1000, I ride it about 60 road 40 tracks and although it has adequate power for the trails I do struggle to keep up with my mates on the road on their bigger bikes as I am wringing the neck out of it.
 

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I have an 06 wee and love riding it but probably wished I got the 1000, I ride it about 60 road 40 tracks and although it has adequate power for the trails I do struggle to keep up with my mates on the road on their bigger bikes as I am wringing the neck out of it.
Could still happen!

Another bike that was on my short list before getting the V-Strom 1000 was the Versys 1000 - with its inline 4 it makes a few more HP than the DL. I wish I had been able to ride one. Though when an incredible deal came along on the Suzuki, it sealed the deal.
 

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Well, after making a big case for the DL650, I did a ride through the country backroads this evening on the DL1000 and have absolutely no regrets about keeping it over the 650. It is a pleasure to ride - handles well, has ample, smooth power delivery, a good suspension that soaks up bumps well, and good wind protection (with a Givi screen and some deflectors)...it puts a smile on my face every time. Bottom line is they're both great bikes, you just have to figure out what your priorities are. I think it was alluded to above, but if you're of a vertically challenged nature and like to flat-foot at stops, the 1000 will need some modifications. Stock it is pretty tall, but there is a shorter seat available and the suspension can be lowered some as well.
Hi Gary,
I am window shopping really now, even though that money from the GSXS sale is burning a hole in my pocket. I've run 2 bikes in the garage for many years, and I keep riding less as time passes now and while like a kid in the lolly shop when a new bike pops up, the thought now is to just have one GP bike, rather than these niche specialist types. The Bandit 1200/1250 is my type of bike and that is what I would like in a new GSXS1000F, but to honest that induction roar became an annoying drone at commuting speeds around town, but excited while up it for the rent. The throttle issue enough said.
I compare all these bikes to my present VRF12F, which has a far better motor than most, smooth V4 grunt, no snatchy throttle syndrome, shaft drive but low clip on's that tire me if I ride over 3 hours continuously.

So I really think I need to run the VFR for a while yet alone in the garage to get bored with it (that's hard) then look around again.
A new rear tyre is on order to match the new front and that will renew the VFR Project for a while re tuning the suspension again to suit the stiff PR4 GT's.

I've been considering a FJR1300 or a Kawa Versys 1000, but discounted the Euro's like Ducati, BMW as not cost effective for my limited use.
The Yam and Kawa get good reviews in the press, with the cheaper Versys 1000 being like the Kawa version of the good old Bandit, and I have fond memories of the ZZR1100 and my ZX9R of 1994.
The GSXS1000 was so almost a red Bandit GSX1250FA or GSX1250S while in run out last year, but 5 of them in the last 25 years was enough.
Hummm ..... A Kawasaki H2R Turbo, could be that new 2018 bike ?

The Wee Strom test ride gave me a really good feeling that I out of my sedate comfort zone seat height wise in cornering, with a new challange to master.
Though at 6' tall, I was reasonably flat footed, and the pegs are made to flip up easily (and so they should, seeing that they are right in line with the standing leg line). The DL1000 was no problem for me and the ride triangle suited me last week on the 650 and 3 years ago on the DL1000 as I remember it.

I forecast it will be a DL1000 Strom in white like this sooner or later, as it gives the grunt of the big motor, a very comfortable ride triangle, tunable suspension, and a moveable 3 position noisy windscreen like all the others (unless your a 8 yo child in height).
A demo or a used one will turn up locally given time, plus Tony T is sure to review it for us here too.

Rob.
 

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The 650 is just so much bang for the buck, I've always had one.

Now, splitting my time between Texas and LA for the foreseeable future, I picked up a used 2014 DL1000 to keep out here to ride in my down time. Wow, so much bike, I hope Little Strommy's days aren't numbered when I get this big one home at the end of the year!
 

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Hi Gary,
I am window shopping really now, even though that money from the GSXS sale is burning a hole in my pocket. I've run 2 bikes in the garage for many years, and I keep riding less as time passes now and while like a kid in the lolly shop when a new bike pops up, the thought now is to just have one GP bike, rather than these niche specialist types. The Bandit 1200/1250 is my type of bike and that is what I would like in a new GSXS1000F, but to honest that induction roar became an annoying drone at commuting speeds around town, but excited while up it for the rent. The throttle issue enough said.
I compare all these bikes to my present VRF12F, which has a far better motor than most, smooth V4 grunt, no snatchy throttle syndrome, shaft drive but low clip on's that tire me if I ride over 3 hours continuously.

So I really think I need to run the VFR for a while yet alone in the garage to get bored with it (that's hard) then look around again.
A new rear tyre is on order to match the new front and that will renew the VFR Project for a while re tuning the suspension again to suit the stiff PR4 GT's.

I've been considering a FJR1300 or a Kawa Versys 1000, but discounted the Euro's like Ducati, BMW as not cost effective for my limited use.
The Yam and Kawa get good reviews in the press, with the cheaper Versys 1000 being like the Kawa version of the good old Bandit, and I have fond memories of the ZZR1100 and my ZX9R of 1994.
The GSXS1000 was so almost a red Bandit GSX1250FA or GSX1250S while in run out last year, but 5 of them in the last 25 years was enough.
Hummm ..... A Kawasaki H2R Turbo, could be that new 2018 bike ?

The Wee Strom test ride gave me a really good feeling that I out of my sedate comfort zone seat height wise in cornering, with a new challange to master.
Though at 6' tall, I was reasonably flat footed, and the pegs are made to flip up easily (and so they should, seeing that they are right in line with the standing leg line). The DL1000 was no problem for me and the ride triangle suited me last week on the 650 and 3 years ago on the DL1000 as I remember it.

I forecast it will be a DL1000 Strom in white like this sooner or later, as it gives the grunt of the big motor, a very comfortable ride triangle, tunable suspension, and a moveable 3 position noisy windscreen like all the others (unless your a 8 yo child in height).
A demo or a used one will turn up locally given time, plus Tony T is sure to review it for us here too.

Rob.
Sure is nice to have so many choices (and yet so hard to choose at times);)
 
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