[Barter]

I note that this week’s Motorcycle News (UK) has a test of the GSXS-1000F compared with the Kawasaki Z1000SX and the Honda 650. The Suzuki was slated for poor fuelling and suspension and came third! Tester Urry just didn’t like it and found it hard to ride - he couldn’t find much positive to say about it in his test report. I thought he was harsh. The bike takes a bit of getting used to the throttle response and the handling is a bit choppy and uncomfortable on bumpy roads, but it is nimble, very rapid and smooth. The vibration the test complains about doesn’t bother me - my former BMW K1300S was buzzier and harsher. Its worth a read though.

 

[RussyH]

Each to their own really, I looked at the Z1000SX and rode a Tracer 900 before I bought my F. Found the Tracer to be nice but boring and I got an amazing deal on my F compared to what I would have paid for the Z1000SX from which I've already read it doesn't handle amazingly. Wouldn't have put the 650 (CBR650F?) in the same category, closest thing to it would be a VFR

 

[Naked&Afraid]

is the CBR650F considered a super sport like CBR600RR & CBR1000RR?

it seems to have clip ons

 

[tonyt]

Every single report I've seen or read have moaned about the the fueling, even on the later produced bikes...:|

 

[ESXB0Y]

It's interesting as there's loads of reviews that rate the GSXS over the Z1000. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

I've always bought bikes emotionally. This bike has me tingling at the prospect of riding her, having huge fun whilst riding her, and looking over my shoulder at her when I park her up.

Making sure I don't go into the garage after a few beers, or the Barry White might come out... :S

 

[redbeard]

The CBR650F is an intermediate with clip on bars but mounted above the top yoke. It is a piece of crap.

I bought one before my GSX S1000F- I sold it in 3 months as whilst it was a good handling bike the engine is the worst 4 cylinder I have ever owned for vibration.

Just look at all the rubber on foot pegs and anti vibration weights under the pegs also. This bike is missing a counter balance shaft and Honda know it has serious vibration issues.
Mine was so bad that as fuel tank emptied, the tank would vibrate at 100KPH in top gear so bad you had to hold knees away from the tank.
Honda were no help in assisting and I know several other owner with same concerns.- All lost big cash dumping them and 9 months later the dealer that traded mine is unable to sell it as reputation is now that bad.

The GSX S is a far superior bit of engineering

 

[m0n4g3]

It's interesting as there's loads of reviews that rate the GSXS over the Z1000. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

I've always bought bikes emotionally. This bike has me tingling at the prospect of riding her, having huge fun whilst riding her, and looking over my shoulder at her when I park her up.

Making sure I don't go into the garage after a few beers, or the Barry White might come out... :S

Funny you should mention this... i have a carport in a secured "gated" area, and i make any excuse to go outside the house to have a perv on her.

 

[Slower and Slower]

The CBR650F is an intermediate with clip on bars but mounted above the top yoke. It is a piece of crap.

'"was a good handling bike the engine is the worst 4 cylinder I have ever owned for vibration.

Just look at all the rubber on foot pegs and anti vibration weights under the pegs also.
This bike is missing a counter balance shaft and Honda know it has serious vibration issues.

The GSX S is a far superior bit of engineering"

100% agree with the vibration quote from Redbeard.
I was looking at one and after testing the naked (and it just doesn't gel as a naked either) and the dressed one, the vibration was constantly loud all the time, bars, pegs, seat, everywhere. The GSXS1k is Goldwing smooth in comparison believe me.


Rob.

 

[blueglue]

Well im all for crap reviews as it makes my bike more exclusive. If idiots are willing to buy their bikes based on what someone else has said. You would have thought a decent journalist would spend ten minutes looking on the owners forums for each bike and put some pro tips like TPS adjustment etc.. getting feedback from 'real world' owners.

Surely everyone test rides these things before buying!?!

 

[Doddy666]

Funny you should mention this... i have a carport in a secured "gated" area, and i make any excuse to go outside the house to have a perv on her.

I have a camera on mine which is linked to my phone, I look at it about 4 times a day more if it detects sound or movement.
I've adjusted the position several times for a better perv aswell

People should test ride any bike before buying and can't understand why they wouldn't.
Many manufacturers are struggling to build smooth motors with good throttle response and more power than the last model these days because of emissions, this won't be getting better in years to come either.

I do think suzuki are daft not addressing this issue though, they have known about it for some time yet have not done much to resolve it.


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[redbeard]

Well im all for crap reviews as it makes my bike more exclusive. If idiots are willing to buy their bikes based on what someone else has said. You would have thought a decent journalist would spend ten minutes looking on the owners forums for each bike and put some pro tips like TPS adjustment etc.. getting feedback from 'real world' owners.

Surely everyone test rides these things before buying!?!

I actually did ride the naked version and it was smoother- I then ordered the CBR650F version and it has serious issues - Might be some oddball harmonics/ vibration with the extra mass?????
Several other have noticed this.

 

[Czechmate]

I bought my GSXS without a test ride, my previous 3 bikes had all been Suzuki and I never had one complaint about any of them.


Technology has advanced so far in many areas, but bikes are bikes. So if you want vibration free super smooth riding with a perfect throttle response it might be worth waiting for a sky bike to be invented.


Just saying : - )


Bandit 600 99 model
GSXR 600 K4
GSXR 750 K8


Just incase anyone was going to ask : - ))

 

[rcannon409]

I own a ninja 1000, but I feel that magazine goes out of their way to come to a different conclusion than the rest. If that conclusion makes no sense, no problem, at least its different.

When no bike is bad, I believe you can use any reason you want to choose one over the other.

I can see choosing the suzuki over the ninja, or the other way. Maybe you really value built in luggage, or lighter weight.

When the much smaller, less powerful Honda between them, the test got strange.

The Honda is all but as heavy as the suzuki, and has 60 less hp? That sounds a lot like me testing my 4 door Mazda car against a fleet of sports cars, and calling it the winner.

 

[Rusty]

Yes, Motorcyclist magazine in US when evaluating the ninja 1000, gsxs1000f, and fj09, rated the gsxs100f in last place. They cite the throttle response issue (PCV fixed that for me), harsh ride (37psi rear pressure and suspension adjustments fixed that for me) and luggage issues (Ventura rack will fix that when you want to overnite).

When giving the fj09 first place they state regarding engine output "you'd think the gxs-s and the ninja would leave the fj for dead, but the Yamaha plucks up and manages to hang with both - until the Suzuki rider can get to the upper part of the power band, where the Gixess then becomes a receding blue dot in the road".

I'm very happy with my receding black/red dot!

 

[m0n4g3]

I have a camera on mine which is linked to my phone, I look at it about 4 times a day more if it detects sound or movement.
I've adjusted the position several times for a better perv aswell

People should test ride any bike before buying and can't understand why they wouldn't.
Many manufacturers are struggling to build smooth motors with good throttle response and more power than the last model these days because of emissions, this won't be getting better in years to come either.

I do think suzuki are daft not addressing this issue though, they have known about it for some time yet have not done much to resolve it.


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Maybe they can't do anything because they are already so close to the line to pass for emissions?

Let's not forget the whole VW issue....

 

[Doddy666]

Maybe they can't do anything because they are already so close to the line to pass for emissions?

Let's not forget the whole VW issue....

Let's not forget there are a whole lot of bikes that don't suffer with it, so yes than can. It's more than possible, it seams like suzuki just forgot about it.
Z1000
S1000r
1000rr
600rr
R6
To name a few that don't that I have ridden


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[JeffroGymnast]

Let's not forget there are a whole lot of bikes that don't suffer with it, so yes than can. It's more than possible, it seams like suzuki just forgot about it.
Z1000
S1000r
1000rr
600rr
R6
To name a few that don't that I have ridden


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Emissions are tricky. You design the system many months before you can actually assemble it and see what comes out of the pipe. For Suzuki I have no doubt that their emissions were worse than they expected and due to timing and cost restraints, had to fix the emissions with the tune rather than a better cat or different injectors for example.

 

[Doddy666]

Emissions are tricky. You design the system many months before you can actually assemble it and see what comes out of the pipe. For Suzuki I have no doubt that their emissions were worse than they expected and due to timing and cost restraints, had to fix the emissions with the tune rather than a better cat or different injectors for example.

That's all good and well but how many lost sales have they encountered because of this one issue? I bet it's cost them millions more than it would if they just changed the cat, injectors etc

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[JeffroGymnast]

That's all good and well but how many lost sales have they encountered because of this one issue? I bet it's cost them millions more than it would if they just changed the cat, injectors etc

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Definitely agreed. The GSX-S would absolutely be the best value super naked if the fueling was good. It would have sold like crazy. I guess at least we are more of a minority with the negative reviews

 

[Doddy666]

Definitely agreed. The GSX-S would absolutely be the best value super naked if the fueling was good. It would have sold like crazy. I guess at least we are more of a minority with the negative reviews

We will be if they continue.
Mine rides great now I've adjusted the tps on a 100% stock bike, makes me wonder if it would pass emissions now


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