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I nearly wiped out when returning from recent trip up north of Scotland the inevitable rain came on.....I would call it light rain after a dry period so roads were slippy.

Under very light acceleration at around 60mph the back wheel span up and back end fished tailed with handlebars slapping side to side....I rolled off throttle eventually bike corrected itself as speed dropped.....I only just managed to stay on bike.


traction was set at 2......i would have thought it would have kicked in anyone else experienced this?


tyres are slightly squared off as I recently bought the bike and was my first decent trip around 500 miles.

also maybe just me but I couldn't get much confidence in the handling of the bike in the dry either the other bikes I've owned (bmw R9T and r1200gs) are much easier to ride fast and inspire confidence……...have to say I'm not feeling the love for this bike at the moment :confused:
 

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Glad you recovered but maybe the suspension setting are off regarding your last paragraph?
 

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cheers Lou.....I will have a look at suspension settings......maybe just down to the tyres being a bit square
 

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when my stock tire squared off, took effort to get into a lean and hold it there tire can spin up pretty fast in 2 in the wet
 

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Leaveitstock that's exactly how it was feeling....reluctant to lean and then want to fall as it went past the edge
 

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Tires and wet conditions is what I'd attribute it to. I accidentally fishtailed my GSXR600 leaving work one early dewy morning. I felt like a badass but only because I saved it. :)

Also, I know some people feel like the GSXS doesn't need a steering damper but it can only help, especially considering how much power it has. I have a Toby Racing steering damper on mine which was simple enough to install. I think someone linked one here recently (from Japan?) for like half the cost.

I saw a video of some guy tank slap his GSXS after a failed wheelie attempt. Vaguely topic related but any excuse to post it:
https://youtu.be/7jxkgnGOvQk

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If the tyres are the original Dunlops I'm not surprised. Exact same thing happened to me in the wet. I'd take a worn Michelin over a new Dunlop. TC didn't kick in for me either
 

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Tires and wet conditions is what I'd attribute it to. I accidentally fishtailed my GSXR600 leaving work one early dewy morning. I felt like a badass but only because I saved it. :)

Also, I know some people feel like the GSXS doesn't need a steering damper but it can only help, especially considering how much power it has. I have a Toby Racing steering damper on mine which was simple enough to install. I think someone linked one here recently (from Japan?) for like half the cost.

I saw a video of some guy tank slap his GSXS after a failed wheelie attempt. Vaguely topic related but any excuse to post it:
https://youtu.be/7jxkgnGOvQk

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What a ****! Note to self, if you’re going to wheelie at least be ready for it and don’t let your hand slip off the grip

Seriously though, Dunlop’s have never been my favourite when half worn, especially now when the temperatures are starting to drop. I’ve never had a moment when using the R7’s and the Michelin road 5 are even better in the wet and colder conditions.
A new set of rubber, get your suspension base settings set and you’ll feel a lot better


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"Traction Control" is only a catchy phrase, and a misnomer and may contribute to give a false sense of security. Nothing will "KICK-IN" to help, as stated.

The only thing it means is; the lower the "Traction Control" setting is, the milder the computer output to the injectors is, related to the throttle input. The motion response to throttle inputs is just slower, that's it.

It WILL NOT improve he traction between the tires and the ground, and it WILL NOT limit the leaning of the bike on wet conditions, nor the speed...…....those are physics to be judged and acted upon by the rider, according with the situation..

….ABS might help a bit preventing the rear wheel locking in a panic situation, but other than that, it is better to ride as you would in a wet environment, regardless of the electronic "enhancements".
 

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Thank slappers are no fun. Had one once on a Bandit 600. Don't know exactly why it happened but the front tire was slightly cupped. Never happened again but I left a pucker mark in the seat that day.
 

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"Traction Control" is only a catchy phrase, and a misnomer and may contribute to give a false sense of security. Nothing will "KICK-IN" to help, as stated.

The only thing it means is; the lower the "Traction Control" setting is, the milder the computer output to the injectors is, related to the throttle input. The motion response to throttle inputs is just slower, that's it.
What? That is a description of ride modes which the GSX-S1000 does not have, it has traction control.

Direct from Suzuki website:

The system checks the front and rear wheel speeds, the throttle position sensor, the crank position sensor, and the gear position sensor 250 times a second. It quickly reduces engine output by effecting control over the ignition timing whenever it detects wheelspin.
That's a system kicking in to try to save you, abeit not perfect, but it doesn't affect your bike except when it detects wheel spin.

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The system definitely "kicks in". If you have ridden a GSX-S in the different modes, you would know that. ;)
 

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Yeah, tc2 allows a little bit of wheel spin. Just enough to start getting the front off the ground, before cutting the power. It's meant for normal dry conditions. Tc1 is aggressive sport riding, off is hooliganism basically. Tc3 should be used when it's wet and slippery, as it's the one that allows next to no wheel spin, and is intended for use on wet roads... So on squared off tires, it's no surprise that it got out on you with a surface as described...

I've drifted a 600 Katana(whopping 65 horsepower), on a road surface where it just lightly rained for the first time in a while before, so doing it on a bike with 2.5 times the power, and with TC function designed for dry is... Expected lol
 

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thanks All

thanks for the response and advice gents...…..new tyres and suspension set up it is...….will report back when done and tested
 

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I had one tank slapper on my old FZ1 scared the chit out of me. Glad to hear you didn't crash!! As far as the TC is concerned I have seen the light go on while I was wicking up in the mountains the bike didn't feel like it slowed down all that much. So if I'm riding like a idiot going in to a curve with too much speed I don't think TC is going to save my a$$. I think it's more important to hone my skills in trail braking rather than relying on TC.
 

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But it still makes me wonder why the OPs traction control did not kick in on level 2.. puzzled to be honest... if anything wet conditions with low grip allow for wheel spinning crazily... thats definitely above the threshold in dry conditions for what traction control was designed... in my opinion it should have kicked in a lot more...

I remember when i was on level 2 and my bike slipped off the side of the tarmac onto the sand on the outside... i was accelerating past a bus and my rear tyre for an instant started to violently drift from side to side... i was doing 50miles... i thought this was done for... **** tc kicked in heavy bought the rear tyre to centre and i was saved...

Wonder why the same did not happen for op
 
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