I have ebc hh sintered pads in mine. They've made a big difference to initial bite and overall braking performance.

 

Hi,

I changed to HEL lines, with EBC HH pads and also a brembo radial master cylinder.

Made a huge difference, but the first 2 changes made the biggest difference, lots of bite and progression now.

Paul

 

Which model master cylinder did you go for Paul? Would you be able to throw some pictures of it up?

 

Good info thanks guys

 

Yeah I changed my levers to puig ones and they are now really spongy. Hel lines on order and sbs sintered race pads waiting to go on [emoji106]the abs hel lines are very expensive, so I hope they make a difference.


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Got EBC HH and replaced the MC by one from a 2011 Ninja 1000 ( more for look, remote reservoir, than anything else)
Pads do make a big difference

 

Thanks Guys. What are the best pads ? Is everyone using EBC ?

 

HH pads are great for the street and sporty riding. I use vesrah pads on my track/race bikes. I will most likely use a Vesrah RJL on the gsxs.

 

Vesrah RJL (x100) Best pads out there hands down. Vesrah has been a long time Suzuki racing partner. Have used RJL's on every bike I have owned. Outstanding initial bite, no warm up time needed, long life. No downside.
Are good for street and track use. Have felt a much bigger improvement from these pads than stainless lines. Although stainless lines are a great upgrade to complete the package.

 

I will 2nd the Vesrah pads. Awesome pads! I have raced on them for 15 years. Heading into my 2nd year of sponsorship with them.

Best place stateside to get them is www.bdtrackside.com and speak with Mitch.

 

abm lines , sbs pads

 

thanks for the info.. I don't know if I can get vesrah pads here my dealer didn't mention them. I rang my local suzuki today and they said they do lots of EBC HH pads, Can also swap to brembo pads for a little more but will have to order them as they don't keep them stocked. Anyone tried the brembos ??

 

The bike comes stock with Brembo pads, but I assume they offer a gripper option.

 

Vesrah RJL, Carbon Lorraine XBK, Performance Friction, Ferodo.


The Vesrah pads cost lots of $$$. SJRL pads are great for racing. RJL great for street and track.

CL pads are best bang for your buck pads. The XBKs are street and some track the CL60s are race only.

Heard good things about the PFC pads.

And I've heard both good and bad with Ferodo pads.

 

I have tried various pads over the years (Vesrah RJL and SRJL, HRC hard bites, Carbon Loraine CL60s, EBC HH,...) and the best pads I have tried are Zcoo. They are not very well known outside of Japan but those who use them loudly proclaim them to be the best, and for good reason. They are not cheap but work in all conditions and have outstanding power and feedback, wear well and are not too hard on rotors.

 

If my guess is right. I think someone has just escaped from the VTR Forum:laugh:
Is that Mikstr from Montreal? Are you in the Market for a GSXS?

 

indeed it is, lol While I have no plans to part with my VTR (incredible bike!), I am keeping my options open for the next one, and the GSX-S is a definite possibility.....

 

Nice to have you on board!:laugh:
Whilst I might be slightly bias, I'd say go and try one. I'm loving mine! The high revs are a little weird to get used to after being on a twin for so long but they are silky smooth by comparison. Don't be put off by all the constant throttle biitching. Once the TPS is set up (if it even needs to be set up, hopefully they will have got it right in the pre inspection before the bike goes out) it's a pretty nice ride. Enough power to still scare yourself but docile if you just fancy a pootle around town.
Go on, it's Xmas. Spoil yourself
Oh and you will need a change of brake pads. I've just remembered your set up and although the Suzuki may have "Brembo" printed on them, they ain't much cop as standard.

 

Downgrading brakes



Just had to downgrade my brakes, my EBC HH pads had worn out and couldn't get new ones in time. Put the originals back on - HORRIBLE - sponginess was back, no bite

Put the the new EBC HH on yesterday, bck to good brakes again.

 

Just had to downgrade my brakes, my EBC HH pads had worn out and couldn't get new ones in time. Put the originals back on - HORRIBLE - sponginess was back, no bite



Put the the new EBC HH on yesterday, bck to good brakes again.

Now I know what brakes to plan for. Would they be good on the track as well?


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How much miles until they worn out?

 

Im not Paul, but I have to mention this.

I am running my gsxr brembo calipers with a master cylinder that was from Ducatis 1098sp. It is an 18/19 Brembo, semi radial. This size matches up rather well to our 32mm pistons.

Heres a link to it: Brembo OE Front Brake Master Cylinder PR18/19 titanium without reservoir w/lever.61 - OPPRACING Products

Not that you should order one, but it offers an ebay bike search to see if you can find a nice, used one.

I paid 175.00 for a complete unit. That includes lever, reservoir and light switch. With this master, and the vesrah pads, the braking performance is stunning.

Its dumb to say this, but if you search on ebay, be careful. The ducatis use a hydraulic clutch. Meaning, half of the master cylinders you see are for the clutch side and will be useless for this application.

If you find one, by all means go for it.

 

Pics pretty please


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You'll have to pretend its a green Suzuki, but here they are. I also have 330mm Brembo front rotors, but these are/were no big deal.

I borrowed the calipers from a 2012 gsxr 1000. No real reason, other than looks. They were about 1.5-2lbs lighter than the stock calipers, so that was nice.

With stock pads, they were not much. Possibly an upgrade, but maybe not. With Vesrah pads, and that ducati master cylinder, wow....If I get a new bike, this brake set will be installed on it, assuming it all fits. Its that good.


I got the Brembo rotors for 175.00 so I HAD to have them, but they seriously don't do anything different than the stock 300mm rotors did using the same caliper, pad, and master cylinder.

Even though it is 30mm larger than stock, it is a nothing compared to the pad and master cylinder change. They look cool, and I'm sure they are incredible, but still....Id cry if I had paid full price for them.

The feel is incredible. Its not about huge amounts of power. It is very powerful, but theres a feel I just cant describe. Lets call it an ability to tell if you have 1% or 2% brakes applied. You truly feel it all the way through the range, and have unlimited control.

 

With regards to the Ducati/brembo master cylinder. Ive had a couple of pm's asking why, and "whats different, its dimensions are so similar...."

What it offers is feel. After all, if we wanted the ultimate in power, we could jam a hammer handle in the spinning wheel...that would lock the brakes, right? That would be all power, no feel.

Its hard to describe, but the feel is not unlike a screwdriver. You know how a super high quality snap on feels vs something from Harbour freight.

Thats how this upgraded master feels. In this system, it is worth about as much as a good set of pads. If you find a deal on one, by all means go for it. By "deal" I mean under 200.00.

 

No doubts that "feel' is the key word here. All motorcycle brake systems manufactured since the last 25 years are powerful enough to lock the front wheel so obviously its not about power but rather about feel
That say "feel" is very subjective and, as it is also for suspension and tires, we all have different opinion about it and what "feel" good to one rider do not mean that it would be the same to another one.
Some manufacturers, Brembo come to mind, have established a reputation to be the "best". I disagree, while it's true that Brembo have some of the best products around, they also offer some much lower quality calipers that are certainly no better than a Tokico or Nissin calipers
Bottom line, whatever work for you and feel right to you, is the best

 

Luc, I agree. I dont think our calipers are anything special, or extremely high quality, but they are not bad, and certainly something you can work with.

The stock pad has a low friction rating. It ends up lacking feel since a person has to pull so hard to get good power.

Maybe thats a better way to describe feel. Its as if a person uses less hand strength for the same braking result. When you dont need to pull so hard, its easier to be aware of what else is happening.

I dont blame Suzuki for the pad choice. I believe the original pad will last a lot longer than the higher friction rated aftermarket pads. I will be lucky to see 8000 miles with the Vesrah pads.

 

I used an OEM Brembo 18 x 19 for a few years and agree it works well (though, being an OEM piece, it is built to a price point). However, remember this unit was (first?) used with Brembo M4 calipers with 4 x 34mm pistons (on 1098/1198), where it worked very well. By using said master with 4 x 32mm pistons (as on GSX-S calipers), you will be sacrificing feel and power (less mechanical advantage). I ran this MC with Nissin calipers from an F4i (very robust caliper with 34/32mm pistons) and kept it when I switched to Nissin monoblocs from 2009 Daytona 675 (32/32mm pistons) and it did the job. I have since changed to a Galespeed forged MC (17.5 piston with 18mm fulcrum) this set-up is MUCH nicer. Choose your MC according to how you like your brakes to feel; if you like a firm lever (which, contrary to popular belief, actually generates LESS power) go towards a larger piston and/or longer fulcrum measurement. If, however, you like a softer lever (more travel but more power), then go towards a smaller piston and/or shorter fulcrum measurement. Again, do NOT get mislead into thinking a stiffer lever (like that provided by a 19x20 MC, for example) will generate more power for the opposite is true (it has less mechanical advantage). For a 32/32mm caliper, my personal choice would be for a Brembo 19x16 (only in billet; expensive but nice) or something 17 (actual 17.5mm) with 18mm fulcrum (such as the Nissin unit used on select GSX-Rs and CBR-RRs - that being said, I am not sure what comes stock on GSX-S, sorry, so perhaps I am being redundant). You can also ante up and get a Brembo RCS17 (allows you to adjust the fulcrum length from 18 to 20mm) or try a Galespeed (reasonably priced for a top-notch item). FWIW, I have tried numerous caliper and MC combinations over the years (with my VTR1000 projet; thanks to OCMD - Obsessive Compulsive Modding Disorder) and find the best performance to be with a set-up which generates a lot of mechanical advantage. While requiring slightly more lever travel, it gives more power and, most importantly, better modulation and feedback.

Hope this doesn't come across as patronizing for it is not my intention.

 

Here is my current set-up FWIW.... works amazingly well

 

for an MC for any given pressure at the calipers pistons:
smaller bore = more travel + softer lever
Bigger bore = less travel + harder lever
I like mine (no jokes here please) soft with a lot of travel, It is easier to modulate
Back in the days when the Z1 had an option of a second disc brake, the MC that came in the kit had a bigger bore to account for extra volume due to the second calipers.
I went back to the smaller, single caliper MC design. Was like having power brake